parvez_mushtaq wrote:
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Assalamualaikum Rahamatullahi wabarakathahu
dear Ahmed
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parvez_mushtaq wrote:
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This in regards to the people who thinks they can be possessed by jinns
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parvez_mushtaq wrote:
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to prove their argument they give the following verses form quran
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parvez_mushtaq wrote:
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002.275
YUSUFALI: Those who devour usury will not stand except as stand one whom the Evil one by his touch Hath driven to madness. That is because they say: "Trade is like usury," but Allah hath permitted trade and forbidden usury. Those who after receiving direction from their Lord, desist, shall be pardoned for the past; their case is for Allah (to judge); but those who repeat (The offence) are companions of the Fire: They will abide therein (for ever).
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parvez_mushtaq wrote:
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and your translation read as this
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parvez_mushtaq wrote:
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Those who eat usury, they cannot stand except as one standing whom the devil has beaten into madness. That is because they said: Trading is like usury. But Allah has made trading lawful and prohibited usury. And whoever has received an admonition from his Lord and desists, then he may have what has already passed and his affair rests with Allah. And whoever returns (to usury), then those are the companions of the fire, they are therein abiding.
[Al Quran ; 2:275]
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parvez_mushtaq wrote:
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one more verse in this regard is
038.041
YUSUFALI: Commemorate Our Servant Job. Behold he cried to his Lord: "The Evil One has afflicted me with distress and suffering!"
and your translation is
And remember Our servant Ayub, when he called to his Lord (saying): Indeed, the devil has touched me with hardship and torture.
[Al Quran ; 38:41]
i want your view point on this topic , Ahmed
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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If their argument is based on the notion that anyone who is possessed by Jinn is mentally (physically) ill, then I totally reject such notion.
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parvez_mushtaq wrote:
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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If their argument is based on the notion that anyone who is possessed by Jinn is mentally (physically) ill, then I totally reject such notion.
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dear ahmed
can you give the reason for this rejection
i mean ,that ayah clearly says ,"Evil one by his touch Hath driven to madness"
yet , how can you reject this
Mushtaq
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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I believe the Quran stated that there will be no blame upon mad people, while we read in the ayah above that being touched by jinn is like a curse from Allah.
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parvez_mushtaq wrote:
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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I believe the Quran stated that there will be no blame upon mad people, while we read in the ayah above that being touched by jinn is like a curse from Allah.
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ahmed
there are two things
one , is there any blame on mad people
two, can jinn make people mad
and of course , madness may be due to any reason and not only by jinn
we are not here to discuss about the blame on mad people
my point is , can jinn make people mad
and as the answer to this quran confirms that the touch of jinn can make people mad
in other words, jinn can posses people
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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But the question remains, is being possessed by jinn, means being mad?
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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But the question remains, is being possessed by jinn, means being mad?
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parvez_mushtaq wrote:
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not always ,it is one of his abilities
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parvez_mushtaq wrote:
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his possession can make people mad as well as he can whisper as he did to Adam and eve
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parvez_mushtaq wrote:
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or he can afflict people as he did to job
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parvez_mushtaq wrote:
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or ha can made the deeds of people of fair seeming as he did to 'Ad and Tham????????????????????????????»d tough they were intelligent
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parvez_mushtaq wrote:
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we are not going to discuss all his abilities cos this will be beyond the scope of this thread
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parvez_mushtaq wrote:
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since the present topic is vast and we are at the ground level ,pl restrict only to this ability of satan making people mad
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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......Allah is giving us a metaphor of those who eat Riba (interest) as one who is being touched by the devil, certainly those who take Riba cannot be mentally crazy, I think it mean spiritually crazy .....
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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Now, when you say Sjaitan can make people mad, do you mean which one of the followings:
1- Physically mad (crazy, insane, etc etc)
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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2- Spiritually mad (i.e. fuked in the religion only, but they are still smart and concieous of what they do concerning their worldly life)
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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I have seen this video before, and many more by Muslims in churches before they became christians
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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I can show you a few, it all seems acting to me, I do not believe these videos
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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Ok mate, I will consider what you suggested, but I still need to do some researches to confirm my final understanding inshaallah, I will keep you informed
Take care
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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....There are many stories related by the Arabs about people seeing jinn with their very eyes. Hence, denying the people?????????????????????¢??s probability of seeing jinn is to the Arab like denying seeing concrete and material things around one.....
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so ,possessed by jinn is not a new concept and this is pre Islamic
if this was not there , then quran would have negated this jinn stories
but rather it confirms this
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