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Bring it on - Does Allah deffrentiate between men and women in Paradise?
- Thu 10 May, 2007 11:23 pm
Post subject: Does Allah deffrentiate between men and women in Paradise?
Hello all

Here is a silly argument by Ex-Muzzah (a confused woman from FFI who claims to be an Ex Muslimah)

Ex-muslimah wrote:
037.040
YUSUFALI: But the sincere (and devoted) Servants of Allah,-
PICKTHAL: Save single-minded slaves of Allah;
SHAKIR: Save the servants of Allah, the purified ones.

037.041
YUSUFALI: For them is a Sustenance determined,
PICKTHAL: For them there is a known provision,
SHAKIR: For them is a known sustenance,

037.042
YUSUFALI: Fruits (Delights); and they (shall enjoy) honour and dignity,
PICKTHAL: Fruits. And they will be honoured
SHAKIR: Fruits, and they shall be highly honored,

037.043
YUSUFALI: In Gardens of Felicity,
PICKTHAL: In the Gardens of delight,
SHAKIR: In gardens of pleasure,

037.044
YUSUFALI: Facing each other on Thrones (of Dignity):
PICKTHAL: On couches facing one another;
SHAKIR: On thrones, facing each other.

037.045
YUSUFALI: Round will be passed to them a Cup from a clear-flowing fountain,
PICKTHAL: A cup from a gushing spring is brought round for them,
SHAKIR: A bowl shall be made to go round them from water running out of springs,

037.046
YUSUFALI: Crystal-white, of a taste delicious to those who drink (thereof),
PICKTHAL: White, delicious to the drinkers,
SHAKIR: White, delicious to those who drink.

037.047
YUSUFALI: Free from headiness; nor will they suffer intoxication therefrom.
PICKTHAL: Wherein there is no headache nor are they made mad thereby.
SHAKIR: There shall be no trouble in it, nor shall they be exhausted therewith.

037.048
YUSUFALI: And besides them will be chaste women, restraining their glances, with big eyes (of wonder and beauty).
PICKTHAL: And with them are those of modest gaze, with lovely eyes,
SHAKIR: And with them shall be those who restrain the eyes, having beautiful eyes;


Let me bring the Arabic text so I expose your ignorance

إِلَّا عِبَادَ اللَّهِ الْمُخْلَصِينَ (40)
أُوْلَئِكَ لَهُمْ رِزْقٌ مَّعْلُومٌ (41)
فَوَاكِهُ وَهُم مُّكْرَمُونَ (42)
فِي جَنَّاتِ النَّعِيمِ (43)
عَلَى سُرُرٍ مُّتَقَابِلِينَ (44)
يُطَافُ عَلَيْهِم بِكَأْسٍ مِن مَّعِينٍ (45)
بَيْضَاء لَذَّةٍ لِّلشَّارِبِينَ (46)
لَا فِيهَا غَوْلٌ وَلَا هُمْ عَنْهَا يُنزَفُونَ (47)
وَعِنْدَهُمْ قَاصِرَاتُ الطَّرْفِ عِينٌ (48)

[The Quran ; 37:40-48]

Ex-muslimah wrote:
(There is all about men, if there was about women, it would mention about women's things)


A clear cut ignorant you are, 37:40-48 is not about men only, let me walk you through it verse by verse:

-> 37:40, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? إِلَّا عِبَادَ اللَّهِ الْمُخْلَصِينَ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????Illa Ibad Allah Al Mukhlasin????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, Ibad Allah means men and women who are slaves of Allah, check with any Arabic speaker you want, now those men and women rewarded as follow

-> 37:41, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? أُوْلَئِكَ لَهُمْ رِزْقٌ مَّعْلُومٌ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????Olaika Lahum Rizq Maloom????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, i.e. for those men and women who are slaves of Allah (mentioned in 37:40) is a known provision

-> 37:42, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? فَوَاكِهُ وَهُم مُّكْرَمُونَ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????Fawakih Wa Hum Mukkarmoon????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, i.e. both men and women who are slaves of Allah (mentioned in 37:40) will receive fruits and they will be honoured

-> 37:43, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? فِي جَنَّاتِ النَّعِيمِ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????Fi Jannat Al Naim????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, i.e. both men and women who are slaves of Allah (mentioned in 37:40) will be honoured in gardens of delight.

-> 37:44, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? عَلَى سُرُرٍ مُّتَقَابِلِينَ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????Ala Suror Mutaqablin????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, i.e. both en and women who are slaves of Allah (mentioned in 37:40) will be sitting on couches facing one another in the gardens of delight

-> 37:45, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? يُطَافُ عَلَيْهِم بِكَأْسٍ مِن مَّعِينٍ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????Yutaf Alaihum Bi Kaas Min Maein????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, i.e. both men and women who are slaves of Allah (mentioned in 37:40) and who are in the gardens of pleasure and while sitting on couches facing one another, a bowl shall be made to go round them from water running out of springs, i.e. they will be served with drink.

-> 37:46, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? بَيْضَاء لَذَّةٍ لِّلشَّارِبِينَ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????Baidaa Lazza Le Al Sharibeen????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, i.e. the drink that is been served to those men and women who are slaves of Allah (mentioned in 37:40) is white and delicious to those (from men and women) who want to drink.

-> 37:47, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? لَا فِيهَا غَوْلٌ وَلَا هُمْ عَنْهَا يُنزَفُونَ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????La Fi Ghawl Wa La Hum Anha Yunzafun????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, i.e. the white and delicious drink that is been served to those men and women who are slaves of Allah (mentioned in 37:40) does not cause headache nor it is going to made those men and women mad thereby. Unlike the crap a kafir like you drinks every day to get pissed and act cheap.

-> 37:48, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? وَعِنْدَهُمْ قَاصِرَاتُ الطَّرْفِ عِينٌ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????Wa Indahum Kasirat Al Tarf Ein????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, I believe this verse is your argument because it mentions ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????Hoor Al Ein????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? translated by many as ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????Young Virgins????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, now firstly I don????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t agree with the translation because I really don????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t know what Hoor Al Ein is nor I care to know, my main concern is to avoid hell not to win paradise as far as I????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢m concerned, so due to the speculation regarding Hoor Al Ein I decided to avoid the subject as it bears no importance to me, however there are some like Dr Naik who claims that Hoor Al Ein are beautiful men and women while others say they are beautiful women only, so the matter can????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t be decided until we go there and see them for ourselves, on the other hand 37:48 never said that those Hoor Al Ein mentioned as ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????Kasirat Al Tarf Ein????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? in the verse are explicit to the males, in fact the verse inclines that they are a reward for both men and women who are slaves of Allah (mentioned in 37:40) , this is clear from the Arabic word ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????َعِنْدَهُمْ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????Indahum????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, the Damir Hum is referring to Ibad Allah, i.e. men and women who are slaves of Allah (mentioned in 37:40), you can check with any Arabic speaker if you wish, i.e. FOR THEM there will be ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????Kasirat Al Tarif Ein????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? as a reward

Therefore you have no argument whatsoever, but if your argument that you are damn ignorant then I agree 100% with you


Ex-muslimah wrote:
I wouldn't do foreplay to you bungee boy!


Then why you want to have fun with me?

Ex-muslimah wrote:
The Quran in Sura 2:228 says:

. . . Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status

he Quran in Sura 4:34 says:

Men are managers of the affairs of women because Allah has made the one superior to the other.


You really don????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t understand 4:34, on the other hand I have given you enough time for this comment, try to ask me the same question later on and if I????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢m in the mode and you are acting as a good girl, I will reply to you

Ex-muslimah wrote:
The Prophet said, "I looked at Paradise and found poor people forming the majority of its inhabitants; and I looked at Hell and saw that the majority of its inhabitants were women.

Yet it's not counted?


I don????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t take the hearsay hadith as evidence:
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