simple wrote: |
Salaams Br's,All,
I often wondered why Allah didn????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t forgive Pharaoh even though he did say ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????I believe????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? Naja = to be saved/ delivered/ go free. Badana = Body without spirit/ Family lineage. 10:90 ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????¦????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????¦????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????¦????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????¦.now (you believe) while you refused to believe before and where one of the evil-doers. 10:91 so this day we shall save you with your family that you may be to those who come after you a sign and verily many among mankind of our signs (are) heedless. Allah is most forgiving ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢?? I think ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢?? if one truly changes in the heart Allah forgives everything, don????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t you think that? Salaams All. |
Latifah wrote: |
Peace,
God does not shy away from citing the example of a mosquito, or anything above it. 2:26 This day, We will preserve your body, so that you become a sign for those after you. But most of the people are unaware of Our signs! 10:92 If I'm correct then God made the preserved body of the Pharaoh as a sign for us. Simply because He can. And who said that God didn't forgive him? Maybe He did. And it's not as if death is an awfull thing. Heart |
simple wrote: |
Hi heart ,
yes you are right but what does allah call signs in the quran ,here is an example although there are dozens more: 5. [8:31] Wa-itha tutla AAalayhim ayatunaqaloo qad samiAAna law nashao laqulnamithla hatha in hatha illa asateerual-awwaleena واذا تتلي عليهم اياتنا قالوا قد سمعنا لو نشاء لقلنا مثل هذا ان هذا الا اساطير الاولين When Our Signs are rehearsed to them, they say: "We have heard this (before): if we wished, we could say (words) like these: these are nothing but tales of the ancients." What are these they are stories of people past away and not dead bodies - see if there is even a single such sign as a dead body in any of the ayah's in the quran apart from pharoas body, or say any object . as far as i understand they are always stories of people past away. Good hunting. God Bless. |
simple wrote: |
Sorry to send a second post ,
but look at how the word the word save thee is used its actualy saving because of faith. and not physical bodies throughout the quran-you check it though. 2. [19:72] Thumma nunajjee allatheena ittaqawwanatharu alththalimeena feehajithiyyan ثم ننجي الذين اتقوا ونذر الظالمين فيها جثيا But We shall save those who guarded against evil, and We shall leave the wrong-doers therein, (humbled) to their knees. 3. [21:88] Faistajabna lahu wanajjaynahumina alghammi wakathalika nunjee almu/mineena فاستجبنا له ونجيناه من الغم وكذلك ننجي المؤمنين So We listened to him: and delivered him from distress: and thus do We deliver those who have faith. Gods Blessings. |
ik75243 wrote: |
i think the message of Pharoah's demise is you can't purposely be all evil all your life and when you finally SEE death say 'oh i believe now !' Did God forgive him or not ? Only He Himself knows that... and He's the Most Merciful. But he's also the Most Fair (IMO). |
AhmedBahgat wrote: |
Hello All
Allah told us that the belief will not be accepted under three conditions: They do not wait aught but that the angels should come to them, or that your Lord should come, or that some of the signs of your Lord should come. On the day when some of the signs of your Lord shall come, its faith shall not profit a soul which did not believe before, or earn good through its faith. Say: Wait; we too are waiting. [The Quran ; 6:158] هَلْ يَنظُرُونَ إِلاَّ أَن تَأْتِيهُمُ الْمَلآئِكَةُ أَوْ يَأْتِيَ رَبُّكَ أَوْ يَأْتِيَ بَعْضُ آيَاتِ رَبِّكَ يَوْمَ يَأْتِي بَعْضُ آيَاتِ رَبِّكَ لاَ يَنفَعُ نَفْسًا إِيمَانُهَا لَمْ تَكُنْ آمَنَتْ مِن قَبْلُ أَوْ كَسَبَتْ فِي إِيمَانِهَا خَيْرًا قُلِ انتَظِرُواْ إِنَّا مُنتَظِرُونَ (158) 1) ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????They do not wait aught but that the angels should come to them????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, i.e. at the moment of death 2) ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? or that your Lord should come????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, again at the moment of death or at the moment of the JD 3) ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? On the day when some of the signs of your Lord shall come????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, i.e. the signs of the JD under any of the above :????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? its faith shall not profit a soul which did not believe before????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? That is why Allah won????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t accept Firon submission because he falls under either 1 or 2 above Salam |
ik75243 wrote: |
peace AB
makes sense because its kind of unfair if somebody works their whole life and somebody like pharoah accepts belief at the last minute while doing whatever he pleased before-hand... if pharoah wasn't given the message maybe you could make a case for him, but he was and he didn't believe till he saw death and realized 'damn i am not as powerful as i thought !' |
AhmedBahgat wrote: |
Exactly mate, this verse also will put R K (J D) prediction to shame, because it will defeat the whole purpose as you just said
salam bro |
TheNabi wrote: |
Peace
It is pointless to turn for the reason that your end is imminent. Hindsight is 20/20. Joe |
simple wrote: |
Salaams all,
I may be mistaken but may be some people think you aren????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t forgiven if you became a believer at the very last minute: Let????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢s see an example: Supposing Ahmed sees sh-t on his door step every morning but suddenly one day he sees a golden nugget - that is pure gold will he throw it away just because he used to throw away the sh-t. No offence meant Ahmed. No He didn't drown neither but we will leave that for another Day. Peace. |
AhmedBahgat wrote: |
Bro that was a Tom and Jerry example
any way, of course I will throw the s*** and take the nugget then sell it I hope it happens bro Salam |
AhmedBahgat wrote: |
Peace sister
I consider your statement about Firon is very ignorant because simply Firon said he is God, now try and do it and see if God will forgive you or not salam |
simple wrote: |
My apologies, the example was that of pharoh - working against God everyday ( a piece of sh-t) and then one day becoming a believer or a golden nugget, which you kept .
And what does God do to believers? irrespective of their history? I doubt it says anywhere that he considers them Tresh or worse then that if it does, would need to know where so. Gods Blessings. |
AhmedBahgat wrote: |
Quote from: simple on August 10, 2006, 08:24:46 AM
My apologies, the example was that of pharoh - working against God everyday ( a piece of sh-t) and then one day becoming a believer or a golden nugget, which you kept . Ok so you were talking metaphor, nice one bro Quote from: simple on August 10, 2006, 08:24:46 AM And what does God do to believers? irrespective of their history? What?, I don't know, do you know? Quote from: simple on August 10, 2006, 08:24:46 AM I doubt it says anywhere that he considers them Tresh or worse then that if it does, would need to know where so. Translation please Quote from: simple on August 10, 2006, 08:24:46 AM Gods Blessings. Cheers |
Latifah wrote: |
Salam AB,
Does it mean you do know how God works? |
AhmedBahgat wrote: |
Salam sister
of course I know how Allah works as far as Allah told us in the Quran Cheers |
Latifah wrote: |
Peace AB,
You seem so sure of yourself. Or should I say 'full' of yourself? "The God does not forgive that partners be established with Him, but He forgives other than that to whom He wishes." (4/48) Heart |
AhmedBahgat wrote: |
Salam
of course I'm so sure, now what do you mean by the above exactly sister? of course Firon made partners to Allah, he made himself a partner, haha, a child will recognise that Thanks for proving my point now you can see how confident I'm and how ignorant you are |
AhmedBahgat wrote: |
Hey heart
who are you exactly to say Allah may forgive Firon? this is the most silliest comment I ever read on the internet, you deserve a Grammy for that |
SlaveofAllaah wrote: |
Subhan Allaah,
We dont need enemies, when we have our Muslim brothers itself |
AhmedBahgat wrote: |
Well the following will make anyone a mushrik
Obeying Satan instead of obeying the One and Only God and that is exactly what Firon did Cheers |
magi wrote: |
This man believed he was God, nothing in the world would change his oppinion. What i dont read is that God preserved his dead body as a mummy. I read that he was in fact saved, not only him, his whole pesky family aswell. Think about this folks, the kindness of our Lord going on right here in front of us. Pharao stated that he would believe, and that was enough. However, given a 2nd chance, he has obviously NOT improved a bit.
So do we still have him? Oh yes we does, and we properbly have his lineage somewhere behind this whole damn mess, but that i cannot prove. What i want you to look at however is this. Does that rendering remind you of something? One of Sixtus's most ambitious projects was to move the enormous Vatican obelisk to its present position in front of Saint Peter's. Though Michelangelo refused this task ("What if it breaks?" he asked), Domenico Fontana carried it out. The formal procession that accompanied the erection, exorcism, and rededication of the Vatican obelisk in 1587 is commemorated here. Stamp. Barb. O VIII 40, plate B vlib34 INT.58 The exscorsicm because this is the new sun relegion, so the old one is evil and pagan and its infested with all kinds of vile and evil. So we need to re erect the pen..obelisk to its new position in all its creative might. You think im joking. Look at where the shadow in the image points. Towards the dome! The female dome and the penile obelisk, so very clever. In fact if you hear someone call the catholic god a dickhead, look at this image, and they are actually not at all that far of. So what does it mean? Well the old sun cult was that of egypt, and babylon, this is the egyptian lineage of this sillyness. We are now dealing with Horus, catholics call him jesus but its the same thing. The same stupid idea. Now that the sungod has died for all our sins, someone has to run the show. Pharao, pope, lets look at a comparison i have done before. Let's try to examine this in a different way. Who was pharao? He was a king of the world he hold the position of god`s representative on earth he was worshipped as a god his had an organisation on belief and money grubbing (the BODY of law) he was excessively violent to his opponents He worshipped the sun So sure, we could be talking about his corpse, but it could altso be a refference to his "body". The body of law and being. So does anybody fit the desciption? a case study on the pope and the vatican; The current Don e was the king of the world [v] yes [ ] no "The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth." Quoted in the New York Catechism. he hold the position of god`s representative on earth [v] yes [ ] no "The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous". he was worshipped as a god [v] yes [ ] no The good sheppard and his sheep, Horus was called the good sheppard too...so was pharao, remember "as you walk through the valley of death i have no fear for thou art near me, with thine rod and thine staff...Who used the rod and staff as a symbol of worldly and spiritual power? Pharao. is had an organisation on belief and money grubbing (the BODY of law) [v] yes [ ] no bank of ambrosia their own state with agencies all over the world Makers of the law an organisation like this is called "a body" he was excessively violent to his opponents im going to spare you the images and ask you to find a history book. And for modern day aggression, look into the jesuit movement. My advice would be to read "vatican assasins; wounded in the house of my freinds" by the calvinist Eric Jon Phelps. He worshipped the sun could it be that his lineage are an actual lineage of blood. Could be im not closed to the idea, but a vessel similar to his is still in operation, that much i can conclusively prove! And this is but scrapes of the material i have on this subject. Im merely giving you my own conclution for what its worth. and just for laugh an obelisk for a female pharao hehe The pope and his skewed cross greeting not his flock, but his God. The sun god. The allmighty penishead. pharao lives, and hes feeling mighty fine in his golden cage folks. peace |
AhmedBahgat wrote: |
Hello All
Again the enemy of Allah and some confused believers continue promoting their conjectures which only proves their ignorance with our God final message, what the blinds and dumb didn????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t see nor comprehend that 10:90 clearly told us that Firon DIED and at the moment of his death he declared his belief hence it can????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t be accepted because he believed at the moment of death, let????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢s see how 10:90 told us that Firon DIED: 90- And We made the children of Israel to pass through the sea, then Firon and his hosts followed them for oppression and tyranny; until when drowning overtook him, he said: I believe that there is no god but He in Whom the children of Israel believe and I am of those who submit. 91- Now! and indeed you disobeyed before and you were of the mischief-makers. 92- This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs! [The Quran ; 10:90-92] وَجَاوَزْنَا بِبَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ الْبَحْرَ فَأَتْبَعَهُمْ فِرْعَوْنُ وَجُنُودُهُ بَغْيًا وَعَدْوًا حَتَّى إِذَا أَدْرَكَهُ الْغَرَقُ قَالَ آمَنتُ أَنَّهُ لا إِلِهَ إِلاَّ الَّذِي آمَنَتْ بِهِ بَنُو إِسْرَائِيلَ وَأَنَاْ مِنَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ (90) آلآنَ وَقَدْ عَصَيْتَ قَبْلُ وَكُنتَ مِنَ الْمُفْسِدِينَ (91) فَالْيَوْمَ نُنَجِّيكَ بِبَدَنِكَ لِتَكُونَ لِمَنْ خَلْفَكَ آيَةً وَإِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنَ النَّاسِ عَنْ آيَاتِنَا لَغَافِلُونَ (92) -> We read that Firon followed Bani Israel :????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? And We made the children of Israel to pass through the sea, then Firon and his hosts followed them for oppression and tyranny????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, then the Quran quickly moved to the moment of his death, here is the Arabic words [size=16pt]????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? حَتَّى إِذَا أَدْرَكَهُ الْغَرَقُ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????[/size], ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????Hatta Iza Adrakahu Al Gharaq????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????. i.e. ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? until when drowning overtook him????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, the Arabic word ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????Adrakahu????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? is very vital here because it is a common word that means ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????CAUGHT WITH NO ESCAPE????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, i.e Firon realized that there is no escape but to drown. the word ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????Da Ra Ka????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? was used in the Quran with DEATH many times, as we know that we can????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t escape death as Allah told us, I will show a couple of examples later, then at this moment when Firon was caught with no escape but to drown he declared his belief, the words [size16pt]????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? حَتَّى إِذَا????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????[/size] requires a second event after the first event (drowning caught him with no escape), the second event was stated clearly afterward :????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? he said: I believe that there is no god but He in Whom the children of Israel believe and I am of those who submit????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? and that was the last thing he said then he drowned , however as we have seen that he did it after ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????[b the drowning ADRAKAHU [/b]????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, i.e. was caught drowning with no escape, therefore it can????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t be accepted and that is exactly what Allah said in 10:91, in fact Allah clearly talked about that moment of his death:????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? Now![//u] and indeed you disobeyed before and you were of the mischief-makers.????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, can you see the word ([u]NOW)?, that is the moment of Firon death, then after he drowned, Allah made the sea to expel his dead body ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee!????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? Let????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢s now have a look at a couple of examples where the word ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????Daraka????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????Caught with no escape????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? is used with death: Wherever you are, death will overtake you, though you are in lofty towers, and if a benefit comes to them, they say: This is from Allah; and if a misfortune befalls them, they say: This is from you. Say: All is from Allah, but what is the matter with these people that they do not make approach to understanding what is told (them)? [The Quran ; 4:78] أَيْنَمَا تَكُونُواْ يُدْرِككُّمُ الْمَوْتُ وَلَوْ كُنتُمْ فِي بُرُوجٍ مُّشَيَّدَةٍ وَإِن تُصِبْهُمْ حَسَنَةٌ يَقُولُواْ هَذِهِ مِنْ عِندِ اللّهِ وَإِن تُصِبْهُمْ سَيِّئَةٌ يَقُولُواْ هَذِهِ مِنْ عِندِكَ قُلْ كُلًّ مِّنْ عِندِ اللّهِ فَمَا لِهَؤُلاء الْقَوْمِ لاَ يَكَادُونَ يَفْقَهُونَ حَدِيثًا (78) -> See, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? أَيْنَمَا تَكُونُواْ يُدْرِككُّمُ الْمَوْتُ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? Wherever you are, death will overtake you????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? Another one: And whoever flies in Allah's way, he will find in the earth many a place of refuge and abundant resources, and whoever goes forth from his house flying to Allah and His Messenger, then death overtakes him, his reward is indeed with Allah and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. [The Quran ; 4:100] وَمَن يُهَاجِرْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ يَجِدْ فِي الأَرْضِ مُرَاغَمًا كَثِيرًا وَسَعَةً وَمَن يَخْرُجْ مِن بَيْتِهِ مُهَاجِرًا إِلَى اللّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ ثُمَّ يُدْرِكْهُ الْمَوْتُ فَقَدْ وَقَعَ أَجْرُهُ عَلى اللّهِ وَكَانَ اللّهُ غَفُورًا رَّحِيمًا (100) -> See, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? ثُمَّ يُدْرِكْهُ الْمَوْتُ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? then death overtakes him????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? And that is exactly what happened to Firon he was caught with no escape and drowned and as we know a drowned man is a dead man Now those ignorant Muslims who suggest that Allah may have forgiven Firon or sort of Firon has submitted to him at the moment of death and he will be entitled to forgiveness, LOL, then why Allah is telling us the Firon will lead his people to Hell: 96: And we sent Moses, with Our Clear (Signs) and an authority manifest, 97: Unto Pharaoh and his chiefs: but they followed the command of Pharaoh and the command of Pharaoh was no right (guide). 98: He will go before his people on the Day of Judgment, and lead them into the Fire (as cattle are led to water): But woeful indeed will be the place to which they are led! [The Quran ; 11:96-98] وَلَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنَا مُوسَى بِآيَاتِنَا وَسُلْطَانٍ مُّبِينٍ (96) إِلَى فِرْعَوْنَ وَمَلَئِهِ فَاتَّبَعُواْ أَمْرَ فِرْعَوْنَ وَمَا أَمْرُ فِرْعَوْنَ بِرَشِيدٍ (97) يَقْدُمُ قَوْمَهُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ فَأَوْرَدَهُمُ النَّارَ وَبِئْسَ الْوِرْدُ الْمَوْرُودُ (98) -> See :????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? He will go before his people on the Day of Judgment, and lead them into the Fire: But woeful indeed will be the place to which they are led!????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, this was one of the scenes in Jahannam movie indeed. Salam |
simple wrote: |
Thanks Magi,
You are probably right -it sounds just the thing. Salaams. |
Danish wrote: |
Ahmed, please clarify the following point?
What does it mean by "partner to GOD"? How does a human become a partner to GOD? Please explain? |
Latifah wrote: |
Peace, Ahmed, don????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t worry I????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢m not offended by your opinion. I admit that I sometimes can be ignorant of the Quran since I????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢m not finished examining it yet. So I????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢m not offended by your opinion. And yes, I think you????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢re full of yourself and also extremly rude. You really need to work on your way of communicating with people. And as a direct and honest person I will tell you that you bring a very negative vibe to this forum ( I don????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t know how others think about this, but that????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢s just my opinion). And no, I????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢m not only talking about your postings on this topic directed to me but about all your other postings in general. You????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢re really rude and need to work on your skills of how to communicate with people. Saying ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????peace????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢ and then in an unfriendly manner continue your reply is not a polite and respectful way of communication. This is not the purpose of saying ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????peace????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢ at the beginning. You begin with ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????peace????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢ as this is your goal in your whole post and conduct. You????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢ve got a very aggressive and sarcastic approach that you tend to disguise. Please be conscious of the way you????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢re communicating and work on improving it. The way you will respond to this will show your maturity.
To stay ontopic, I may have reacted on this subject without fully understanding what ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????shirk????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢ is really about. So I did some research and found out that my theory about ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????shirk????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢ wasn????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t really correct. My understanding of shirk was that God took offence of people making partners with Him. I was wrong. God never claimed to have any emotions and ofcourse He prohibited idolworshipping for our own good, like all the other rules He made for our own good. Believing in another system besides Gods perfect system means living a lie. People who ignore Gods system are far from the Truth. That????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢s why idolworshipping is a harmful deed. It????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢s like living in an illusion. It says: "God forgiveth not 'SHIRK', but forgiveth anything else according to His Will" - (4:48-116). The above verse is because I thought God could forgive the Pharaoh because he believed in the existence of Him right after he died. But I realise that God says it didn????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t matter now, because he had lived a lie his whole life. He found out about the truth right when he died. Living according to the Truth, and by thus believing in Allah as one and only Rabb, determines your choices in life. All of your choices in life are formed through your knowledge and beliefs. If the beliefs are wrong, you will make also the wrong decisions, and so will not fully develop and prepare your Self/nafs for the Next Life. So believing in the Truth in the last minute of your life has no purpose, as you can????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t make any decisions anymore to form his Self/nafs in the right way. It is discovering the spoon while you already ate the soup. To late to change his life and therefore his Self/nafs to be prepared for Paradise in the Afterlife. Heart |
ArnoldYasin wrote: |
Peace,
magi, good analysis. I believe the verse refers both to his body and what you are implying. I don't restrict it here to one option. |
AhmedBahgat wrote: |
Quote from: Hear
Peace, Hi Quote from: Hear Ahmed, don????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t worry I????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢m not offended by your opinion. I admit that I sometimes can be ignorant of the Quran since I????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢m not finished examining it yet. Cool, it was an honest opinion from my side anyway, I don????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t know you to defame you Quote from: Hear So I????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢m not offended by your opinion. Great Quote from: Hear And yes, I think you????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢re full of yourself and also extremly rude. Well, If I conclude that a person is bloody rude I won????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t direct comments to him/her, can you do the same? For me full of myself comment, fine I take it from you that I????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢m as such, but only from your perspective, from mine though it is called confidence/experience Quote from: Hear You really need to work on your way of communicating with people. No I don????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t, because the ones who appreciate my style are far more than the losers who don????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t, so why I should care for them and change my life style? Indeed I don????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t want to talk to them, they are the ones who want to talk to me, LOL Quote from: Hear And as a direct and honest person I will tell you that you bring a very negative vibe to this forum Why you are still here then? I guess you need to leave then Quote from: Hear ( I don????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t know how others think about this, but that????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢s just my opinion). and will always stay as your opinion and sure has no value whatsoever to me, but thanks for your honesty anyway Quote from: Hear And no, I????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢m not only talking about your postings on this topic directed to me but about all your other postings in general. Damn, why you read the comments of an extremely rude man? I guess you have yourself only to blame Quote from: Hear You????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢re really rude and need to work on your skills of how to communicate with people. Damn, didn????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t you say this before? Ok that must be take 2 Quote from: Hear Saying ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????peace????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢ and then in an unfriendly manner continue your reply is not a polite and respectful way of communication. This is not the purpose of saying ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????peace????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢ at the beginning. Well miss ignorant, Peace for me means greeting, i.e Salam, it has nothing to do with me offering peace to anyone. Quote from: Hear You begin with ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????peace????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢ as this is your goal in your whole post and conduct. Would that be take 2 again? Why you need to say things more than once? Quote from: Hear You????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢ve got a very aggressive and sarcastic approach that you tend to disguise. No no, you got this wrong, I don????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t disguise anything neither I????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢m charming Quote from: Hear Please be conscious of the way you????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢re communicating and work on improving it. The way you will respond to this will show your maturity. Ignored Now I ask you that you ignore me and I will ignore you, if you post an ignorant comment about the Quran, trust me you will see me behind your back exposing your ignorance but I won????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t direct my comments to you any more I will only direct it to the public, you have been dismissed sister Quote from: Hear To stay ontopic, I may have reacted on this subject without fully understanding what ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????shirk????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢ is really about. So I did some research and found out that my theory about ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????shirk????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢ wasn????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t really correct. My understanding of shirk was that God took offence of people making partners with Him. I was wrong. God never claimed to have any emotions and ofcourse He prohibited idolworshipping for our own good, like all the other rules He made for our own good. Believing in another system besides Gods perfect system means living a lie. People who ignore Gods system are far from the Truth. That????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢s why idolworshipping is a harmful deed. It????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢s like living in an illusion. It says: "God forgiveth not 'SHIRK', but forgiveth anything else according to His Will" - (4:48-116). The above verse is because I thought God could forgive the Pharaoh because he believed in the existence of Him right after he died. But I realise that God says it didn????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t matter now, because he had lived a lie his whole life. He found out about the truth right when he died. Living according to the Truth, and by thus believing in Allah as one and only Rabb, determines your choices in life. All of your choices in life are formed through your knowledge and beliefs. If the beliefs are wrong, you will make also the wrong decisions, and so will not fully develop and prepare your Self/nafs for the Next Life. So believing in the Truth in the last minute of your life has no purpose, as you can????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t make any decisions anymore to form his Self/nafs in the right way. It is discovering the spoon while you already ate the soup. To late to change his life and therefore his Self/nafs to be prepared for Paradise in the Afterlife. Heart because you have been dismissed I have to ignore the above paragraph, this is my rules have a nice day and all the best Salam PS: I mean greeting ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????like bye????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, therefore I'm not offering you any peace |
AhmedBahgat wrote: |
Danish
Firtsly, why you consider humans only to be made partners of God? Anything can be made partner of God directly or indirectly 1) Directly, is by making another thing as a god, like: a) a planet b) a star c) a jinn d) a human e) the low self desires f) a statue g) an angel etc????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????¦. 2) Indirectly, only applies to humans and is simply by obeying Satan and not obeying Allah point 2 was stated clearly in the Quran therefore all the humans on earth who listen to Satan calls are Mishrikoon, including you, the jews, the christians and many of the Muslims Salam |
Latifah wrote: |
Peace Ahmed,
Never mind my posting then. Continue to be the way you are. I guess being harsh is much easier then being friendly and respectful towards people. Ciao. Heart |
magi wrote: |
peace
I agree we shouldnt, but with the current data present (dont they look at the etc....) this for now is the one that makes more sense to me. |
magi wrote: |
Peace
Achmed dont you ever get tired of being so judgemental? You can remember the scripture that much is clear, now do as it says, your behaviour is so far from what you claim to be, its not even remotely funny. And its even less funny to have someone like you suggest that i am an enemy of God, especially as you obviously havent god a clue as to what im reffering to with my analysis. |
Latifah wrote: |
Peace Magi,
Just curious... why have you been labeled as an enemy of God? PM me if you rather not bring it up again here. Or ignore I asked if you don't want to answer my question. I'm just being curious. |
splatter wrote: |
Peace Heart,
I agree and support your opinion. His agressive, sarcastic, "holier than you" and "I am right, so you must be wrong" attitude repulses me. I've learnt to ignore his postings. His trademark is spewing quranic verses in big blue letters, and anyone who disagree with his views will be given a dose of rude or sarcastic or "I am more intelligent" or "you are an enemy of islam" remarks. It's not about obeying god anymore; it's about obeying AB. |
Ahmed Bahgat wrote: |
You too have been dismissed
who is next? |
Ahmed Bahgat wrote: |
you too have joined the dismissals
have an itchy day |
Ahmed Bahgat wrote: |
Oh please, don't direct any comments to me after your dismissal
be smart like your friend splatter |