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Nuh did his for 950 years and never faultered in falling away of what i enjoinedAnd that is the millah of ibraheem.
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see one of my defined principle that I WILL NEVER ALLOW ANY PUNK OR HO TO ABYUSE MY RELIGION OR MYSELF
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again, this would show inconsistantcy of the quran.Why?
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2 reasons.
1. from a logical reason, your approach only turboed what they already did.
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That from the get go, it should have rang the door bell.
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So your adoption of this manhaj
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should have revealed itself to be incocrect based on their increasement of that which you did not like of them yet your intent was for them to cease at once. So far it hace not worked.
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2. from the religious aspect the prophet salallahu alaihi wa sallam said "Allah gives through ease what he does not give through harshness" If you had wished compliance form them with regard to not attacking Islam, your chances would have been greater with the easier path.
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Another part of his is Allah said something to the effect about do not malign their deen, less they malaign Allah and his Messenger.
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basically, don't provoke them,
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because your provoking would
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could, and apparently has, served as the stepping stone for that which is even worse,
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their malignment of Allah and His messenger salawatu llahi wa salamu alai.
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and lastly from this aspect, the prophet salallahu alai wa sallam said "the stronger man is the one who controls his anger over the one who is a brute" or something to this effect wallahu alim. So the displayment of your "harshness" does not fit the prophetic understanding of "individual strength".
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actually one more. it is due to these variances from the established islamic akhlaaq that in actuallity, you have aided in their talbis and baatil. That is because since they have a false understanding of connecting amaal bi khalq with aqeedat wa akhlaaq as saheeha, it would have been even more pertinent to not aid or add confirmation in their misguided and satanic notions by adopting this current manhaj you say you follow.
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so let me enlighten you on a matter for your own benefit
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I WILL NEVER ALLOW ANY PUNK OR HO TO ABYUSE MY RELIGION OR MYSELF
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I say, they always said it, will continue to say it, and will not end in saying what they satanically beleive to be true. so your non allowance is of no relevance whatsoever.
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thirdly, on another tip, you should have already known that there are many who have sealed the road to sincerity. There is no ikhlaas here, at all, only very few. All the words in the universe would not have changed the hearts of those who made themselves to not allow any change in what they satanically beleive.
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Why, because whoever chooses a way, other than the way of the prophet and the belivers, Allah will keep him on that way.
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That is the logical conclusion, if they choose a path with an ardent desire of not abandoning it, then Allah will "bless" them with their decision, and they will surely see the fruits of their decision in due time.
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If any punk or ho is going to offend me, I have to offend them
an offence of an offence Plain and simple boys and girls
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you dont have to offend them.
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You are merely allowed to to take an eye for an eye,
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but the quran enjoined on you to have hikmah.
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and part of hikmah is in seein where is the potential benefit in taking an eye for an eye and where it is not beneficial to do so.
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please deeply consider your approach, and i advise other muslims who adopt this same methdology to also reconsider.
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It happened many times, by Sona, XXX, and here is another brother who did the exact same, but because I left that place for a period I won????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t reply there so I decided to reply here on FI and give them a final copy, let me see what brother al-boriqee has to say:
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Look bro, I ain????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t no prophet, don????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t you know that prophets are not like average humans as well no more prophets will be sent?, however you just shot yourself on the foot really because I know you may say but we should take the prophets as an example, WHICH I ALREADY HAVE DONE, I TOOK NOAH AND HIS PEOPLE AS AN EXAMPLE, let me clear your ignorance:
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See, Noah did not only laugh at them as they laughed at him,
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Well, did Allah say to him that he was wrong and he should be peaceful and should not curse them?:
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if you speak Arabic, I????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢m sure you know what ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????Sukhria????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? means, it means ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????Mocking????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, i.e. prophet Noah replied to the mocking of the kafirs by saying ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? If you laugh at us, surely we too laugh at you as you laugh (at us).????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, this translation is wrong of course, it should be ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? If you MOCK us, surely we too MOCK you as you MOCK us????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, see how I took Noah as an example
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On the other hand we see Abraham is saying the same word to his people, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????أُفٍّ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? :
Fie on you and all that ye worship instead of Allah! Have ye then no sense?
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1) Mock Allah, with the worst of insults and degradation
2) Mock Mohamed, with the worst of insults and degradation
3) Mock the Quran, with the worst of insults and degradation
4) Mock Jebril, with the worst of insults and degradation
5) Mock the Muslims and their women and children, with the worst of insults and degradation and they even call to NUKE them
Holy bloody crap brother al- boriqee, are you that bloody confused?
Well, I????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢m not calling them to Islam brother, I????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢m fighting them, do you understand?, I????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢m BLOODY FIGHTING THEM
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Yeh yeh here it is for you:
Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.
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Now, what did I do?
I mocked them as they mocked Allah, Mohammed, the Quran (the final message), , Jebril and the Muslims, I didn????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t strap a bomb on myself, I did not shoot anyone, I used what they used, they used their tongues or hands to write and that is exactly what I used, I never started insulting anyone who is innocent, are you nuts or something?, indeed those who talk in a respected manner has been dealt with exactly in the same respected manner,
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How the hell a Muslim like ya faults me?, indeed it is you who are in great fault, let me prove it to you:
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that you should not sit with them until they change the subject, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????فَلاَ تَقْعُدُواْ مَعَهُمْ حَتَّى يَخُوضُواْ فِي حَدِيثٍ غَيْرِهِ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, i.e. ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? do not sit with them until they enter into some other discourse;????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????,
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but you don????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t do that mister nice Muslim, you greet them, you thank them and you even talk to those who insult Allah with the worst of descriptions like pig fuker for example, how dare you respect such lowest of the lows bound to hell?, you are not more merciful on them than Allah or aren????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t you
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can????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t you see that I already exposed many hypocrites and double faced low humans?, can????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t you see that I did stepped on their nerves and caused confusion to them?, if you can????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t see that then you are blind like them, but hey at the end of the day I stayed here treating them as enemies not bloody greet them and thank them
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You also know nothing, I made a lot of friends who they were insulting and they stopped as a matter of respect at the same time there are others who I insulted and they converted to Islam after debating me using my same style (it was never my objective to convert them though). You just know nothing
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Another hadith worshipper
look brother, I don????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t take the hearsay hadith as evidence, you only need to bring the Quran if you want to argue religion with me
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You have no point here either, the verse above is talking about those believers who START insulting other followers of other faiths????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? And do not abuse those whom they call upon besides Allah,????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? that does not apply to me, they are the ones who are doing it to me, are you that confused?, the verse never discussed RETALIATION, the reason for the above advice of not abusing those who believe in other faiths is simply :????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????lest exceeding the limits they should abuse Allah out of ignorance????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? , again they are already doing that, see how you have no point?, there is also an important note in this verse which are the words ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? فَيَسُبُّواْ اللّهَ عَدْوًا بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, i.e. ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? they should abuse Allah out of ignorance????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, but they are not ignorant any more, because when you tell them what the Quran said, they accuse you of being a liar
You absolutely have no point
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After all the mistakes you made, all the flaws in your understanding as well your clear cut SHIRK, do you think I will expect that you enlighten me?, let me be fair and give you a chance
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POSSSIBLY ALLAH WANTS THEM TO INCREASE IN THEIR DISBELIEF
Mate, I hope I enlightened you
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With those who are seeking Hikmah, not with the filthy enemy, are you crazy or what?, sounds like you are following a Christian version of Islam, you get smacked on the right, turn the left for another smack then say thank you and leave, what a load of non sense, we are dealing with the enemy of Allah you confused Muslim, we are not dealing with peaceful kafiroon you idiot, they only want to embarrass and humiliate us.
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And most of them do not believe in Allah without associating others (with Him).
[The Quran ; 12:106]
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-> The problem is most Mushrikoon don????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t really know that they are Mushrikoon
Salam
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Brother al-boriqee replied on FFI
calm down akhee, It was just merely a naseeha, and since the negative impact that may have eminated from you was public, then its response is equally, by the sunnah, in public, although i should have pmed you
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...Indeed Allah told (fil amr) Musa alaihi salam, "speak a word that is just to Firawn, it may be that he may change by your kindness"
If Allah commanded Musa to speak words of kindness to the greatests most despicable slime in all of humanity who actually claimed himself to be Allah over Allah Himself, and even when Allah knew bi masheah wal qadru Allah that this tyrant kaafir would not submit, he still commanded adl in word and deed. That is a reality you cannot allow yourself to deny.
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It was just merely a naseeha,
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and since the negative impact that may have eminated from you was public,
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then its response is equally, by the sunnah, in public,
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although i should have pmed you
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It happened many times, by Sona, XXX, and here is another brother who did the exact same, but because I left that place for a period I won????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t reply there so I decided to reply here on FI and give them a final copy, let me see what brother al-boriqee has to say:
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my message was to remain calm
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thats all. I did not say it on the delivery of character assasination towards you.
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i think you went to deep in my words
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and took it to where it has not gone.
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Look bro, I ain????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t no prophet, don????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t you know that prophets are not like average humans as well no more prophets will be sent?, however you just shot yourself on the foot really because I know you may say but we should take the prophets as an example, WHICH I ALREADY HAVE DONE, I TOOK NOAH AND HIS PEOPLE AS AN EXAMPLE, let me clear your ignorance:
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actually I forgot to add the statement that although your not a prophet, no one expects you to do what he did in exact form, but he essence of the methodology employed is what i was enjoining you to.
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See, Noah did not only laugh at them as they laughed at him,
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thats what i do to. That is why I respond with the same remarks they do, is in turn turned around back to heir intellects.
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There is a difference between meeting the same with them, and just starting off with them on a bad tip.
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calling hem ho's and whatever.
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Not that I neghate their being a ho,
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but just to randomly call them so
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just because your mad with them
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does not consitute the prophetic arguement you brought here, barakallahu feek for the reminder anyway
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Well, did Allah say to him that he was wrong and he should be peaceful and should not curse them?:
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this is an illogical qiyaas.
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That is bcause your comparing Nuh's human right to complain to his Lord (make dua to Him) and whatever he complained about (which you provided) with the every day muwwamalaat of the people. when he made dua to his Lord, he said that directing it to Allah, he was not adressing it to the people.
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So when we say to Allah "Ya Allah yarhamakuhoom, or break their backs, we usually do not carry that to them in our every day speech to them.
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if you speak Arabic, I????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢m sure you know what ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????Sukhria????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? means, it means ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????Mocking????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, i.e. prophet Noah replied to the mocking of the kafirs by saying ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? If you laugh at us, surely we too laugh at you as you laugh (at us).????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, this translation is wrong of course, it should be ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? If you MOCK us, surely we too MOCK you as you MOCK us????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, see how I took Noah as an example
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tayyib, but again I was not negating the general human right that everyone has which is what you laid down here. Im sorry if my words made you think of them in opposition to what you laid out here. My point was that if they do something in the mocking, then I did not negate you meeting them with the same action, but what i negated was you yourself starting out from the get go.
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I mean this in every single post you decide to do. thats all. we are a balnced nation from among mankind, we dont lean towards ghuloo nor do we lean towards tammayyu. The sifaa of a muslim is not tammayyu, it is tammayyuZ.
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On the other hand we see Abraham is saying the same word to his people, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????أُفٍّ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? :
Fie on you and all that ye worship instead of Allah! Have ye then no sense?
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tayyib
this was after their takdheeb of the risaala of Ibraheem alaihi salam
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if Im confused, ad-du'u lanee
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BUT, what are you fighting them with. The only thing you can tell me is with your words.
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Thats at. So as of now your jihaad is jihaad alaa munafiqeen wal kuffar bi huroof.
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Even in this Allah has ordered you with hikmah. With hikmah comes with the realization that performing it has to be accompanied with the niyyah to win.
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based upon this the format for this type of jihaad has to be accompanied with he methodology to do that. The first start off of such a methodology is not starting it off by killing the rasala you come with.
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One does that by accompanying their words with ghuloo.
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If they respond with ghuloo, then so beiit,
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but you yourself dont strat off like that. is what im saying.
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thus you apporve of he intent of the mmessage that i intended here
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Yeh yeh here it is for you:
Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.
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afwan, if I saw a variance between your turthful words here and the actions I perceived then forgive me akhee kareem
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How the hell a Muslim like ya faults me?, indeed it is you who are in great fault, let me prove it to you:
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no muslim is beyond the realm of being corrected.
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inal ladheena amanu wa amilu salihaati wa tawasaw bil haqqi wa ta wasaw bis- sabr
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that you should not sit with them until they change the subject, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????فَلاَ تَقْعُدُواْ مَعَهُمْ حَتَّى يَخُوضُواْ فِي حَدِيثٍ غَيْرِهِ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, i.e. ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? do not sit with them until they enter into some other discourse;????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????,
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I dont, I put my words were I see may have the most effect. otherwise I dont even pay atention nor care for their satanic misnotions
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but you don????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t do that mister nice Muslim, you greet them, you thank them and you even talk to those who insult Allah with the worst of descriptions like pig fuker for example, how dare you respect such lowest of the lows bound to hell?, you are not more merciful on them than Allah or aren????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t you
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I greet them. aiyna daleel ya akhee.
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regards is not greeting them.
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And I only add at upon their meeting me with kindness,
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otherwise, they get what they themselves offer. Whether they are the lowest of the low fi jahannum, Allah did not prevent you from meeting with them in kindness. Indeed Allah told (fil amr) Musa alaihi salam, "speak a word that is just to Firawn, it may be that he may change by your kindness"
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